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's planning lacked specifics. >> the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they are too good? >> reporter: mitt romney spent most of the night attacking the president's record. >> you said you would cut the deficit in half. it's four years later. >> reporter: romney came into the debate trailing in the polls but that could change. >> any time a challenger stands on the stage with a president in the first debate they tend to get some bounce after that. i expect that could happen here. >> reporter: the romney campaign believes the governor scored a knockout. >> i believe romney was the clear winner of this debate. if it was a boxing match it would have been called. >> reporter: a poll shows romney was the overwhelming winner. 46% of the people say romney won the debate while 22% said the president had the ge. romney helped his image with voters. 63% feel he cares about their needs and problems. and 60% like romney better after watching his performance. but jim lehrer might not feel the same way. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subcy die to pbs
showed the american people and the middle class that mitt romney has a secret plan to eliminate the one tax deduction that keeps the middle class in their homes. and that's the deduction for mortgage interest and taxes. he says he's going to lower tax rates but eliminate corporate tax loopholes and personal tax loopholes. i think he has a secret plan to eliminate that tax critical to the middle class. >> do you think that's what viewers walked away thinking? >> i think they walked away thinking mitt romney would be a great used car salesman, but the policies he's articulating will get us right back into the mess that president obama has been working so hard to dig us out of. >> i suspect many walked away last night feeling a bit confused, maybe a bit bored by the technical language and lack of passion. and they are possibly asking the question around the world that many are, which is why can't these guys get together to hammer out a fiscal solution? because actually they were talking about the details, they didn't seem to be so incredibly so far apart on many of the issues. >> were they
the other's programs in aing intive right. on the issue, the president said that mitt romney's plans would eventually turn entitlements. he is trying to empower people to take control other their present this plan, the sees sense of the plan. >> i know what my own vow is. i rather not telling the government not telling me what insurance company to get. >> this debate went on for an hour and a half. at one point, they did not get to all the candidates. 50million people watched this debate tonight and there will be two more presidential debates. the nets will be the vice presidential debate. >> thank, you very much. gentleman, it's good to have you here. >> brendan, i'm going to start with you. mitt romney was surprisingly strong. we got a car cialghts obama came with a saw. what can you take that? >> he was behind and chris want and he couldn't tell his truth m. ofous answers, he ran away from his tax cutser the platform. he ran away from that. on the substance, he didn't do that well. it is true obama was not as engaged as some hopes. he didn't even up the 47% remarks that rom romney
. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular, but it's not the case. i have five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but keep on repeating it hoping i'll believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. number three, i will not, under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his idea is never mind. the fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, then it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loophole that is only affect high income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math. it's arithmetic. >> on the subject of entitlements, they clashed on the health care program for seniors which is popular, but c
's middle class. >> this is where there's a difference because governor romney's plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the bush tax cuts and military spending that the military hasn't asked for. it's $8 trillion. how we pay for that, reduce the deficit and make the investments we need to make without dumping those costs on to middle class americans is one of the central questions to this campaign. >> under the president's policies, middle income americans are buried. they are being crushed. their income has come down by $4,300. this is a tax in and of itself. call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular, but it's not the case. i have five boys
what president obama calls romney's $5 trillion tax plan. darren gersh, tonight, looks at what the real impact of the romney tax plan could be on the american economy. >> reporter: here's where the president gets that $5 trillion number he used again today. governor romney's plan to cut tax rates by 20% would add up to about $5 trillion over ten years, assuming no other changes. but governor romney is planning to make other changes by eliminating tax deductions worth about the same amount. but the president is accurate when he says governor romney is making many promises in his tax plan. romney says upper-income people will not get a net tax cut; middle-income people will not see their taxes go up; incentives for savings and investment won't be touched; the estate tax and alternative minimum tax will be eliminated-- all this while cutting tax rates and not changing the amount of money the federal government brings in. an analysis by the tax policy center shows governor romney will have to make some big tradeoffs. >> so, governor romney has made five promises. he can't keep them all. he
to provide specifics for a number of the romney/ryan plans, which he hit on a number of times. he felt most comfortable, it seemed, defending obamacare, looking right into the camera. we didn't seem to have that moment that, sometimes debates have. but there was an exchange about the deficit and debt, talking about the simpson-bowles plan, that had an interesting back and forth. take a listen. e >> in one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. now, i like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years worth of what oil & gas receives, exon and mobile this. $2.8 billion goes largely to small company, drilling operators and so forth. but if we get that tax rate down to 25%, that $2 important 8 billion is on the table. that's probably not going to survive. but don't forget, you put $ninety billion, like 50 years worth of breaks into soular and wind, to solyndra, fisker, i have a friend who said, you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers. >> he was talking about the energy plan. president obama picking losers. we will get the simpson-bowles
five weeks to go before the election, and there are certain things, mitt romney's tax plan, barack obama on social security, barack obama on simpson bowls and debt reduction, they don't want to put meat on the bone. people criticized the moderator. i'm not sure if the moderator pushed more for specifics if they decided i'm not going down this road, and they both clearly decided that on social security for obama, on tack plx plan for romney. i don't know how much cajoling will get them. barack obama being better today than he was last night, here's the problem. let's say there were 5,000 people at that rally. 50 plus million people we expect to have watched the debate last night. that's the issue. you need to be at your best when the audience is massive. you know, being good at a rally with your supporters is a lot easier than being good at a big, giant event where you're being directly confronted by the guy who wants your job. >> chris cillizza, ruth marcus and john harris, thank you all very much. >>> and how does mitt romney capitalize on his debate performance? going forward, se
themselves, is the reason that governor romney is keeping all of these plans to replace secret because they're too good? is it because that somehow middle class families are going to benefit too much from them? no. >> the sharpest exchanges over taxes and deficits. >> he is saying that he is going to pay for by closing loopholes and deductions. the problem that is he's been asked over a hundred times how you would close those deductions and loopholes, and he hasn't been able to identify them. >> everything he said by b. my tax plan is inaccurate. if the tack plan he described was a tax plan i was asked to support i would say absolutely not. i'm not looking for $5 trillion tax cut. i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> 18 months he's been run on this tax plan, now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of $5 trillion tax cut, that's not my plan. the two men even disagreed over whose turn it was to speak. >> jim -- the president began this segment so i think i get the last word. so
will not end up picking up the tab, than governor romney's plan may work for you. >> you're entitled to your own airplane and house, but not to your own facts. i' not going to cut education funding. >> a night of testy exchanges and harsh criticism as mitt romney and president obama try to show why they should win in november. good morning, everybody. i'm aaron gilchrist. >> and i'm eun yang. welcome to news4 today for this thursday. we're going to take a look outside at 5:00 a.m. 43 degrees. the humidity that came through the region made it feel like summer. >> 73. >> what did i say? >> 43. >> no, i'm sorry. 73, that's a big difference. >> it is going to be that cold by monday, though. >> what? >> indeed. it's going to be 30 degrees colder in the mornings by monday. big change on the way between now and then. ahead of another weak front coming our way. we have some passing light showers now moving out of the carolinas into virginia, the district, and maryland, parts of east and west virginia advancing north and east. a closer view of our storm 4 team radar. the wipers are running on 95 now
's a difference because governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts, that's another trillion and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. that's $8 trillion. how we pay for that, reduce the deficit and make the investments that we need to make without dumping those costs on to middle-class americans i think is one of the central questions of this campaign. >> lehrer: both of you have spoken about a lot of different things and we're going to try to get through them in as specific a way as we possibly can. but first, governor romney, do you have a question you'd like to ask the president directly about something he just said? >> well, sure i'd like to clear up the record and go through it piece by piece. first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut of the scale that you're talking about. my view is we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle-class. but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. high-income peopl
to focus on mitt romney's plans, governor romney's plans for the future and say, listen, we may not be in the best shape right now, but it's going to be even worse if we implement his plans. >> so, each of them will be pivoting? >> reporter: each time. but here's the thing. and both sides don't really know what's going to happen tonight, because, as david pointed out, this format is so loose. once they get into the discussion, almost anything can happen. they could directly challenge each other. jim lehrer could come in, the moderator, directly challenge them. but they really don't know. >> we'll right here with you along the abc news to react and fact check one on one the debate coming up at 6:00 p.m. pacific time, 9:00 p.m. eastern. we have two developing stories from overseas. tonight the city of aleppo t commercial equivalent of they new york city. four car bombs killed nearly 40 people. eyewitnesses described what felt like series of earthquakes. here a square before and after. you can see there reduced to rubble. in iran, something we rarely see. crashes in the streets of
and plans. the president went after mitt romney on how he plans to pay for his tax cuts. mitt romney used vice president joe biden's own words in describing the middle class's struggles. >> you think by closing looph e loopholes and deductions for the well-to-do, somehow you will not end up picking up the tab, then governor romney's plan may work for you. but i think math, common sense, and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. >> under the president's policies, middle income americans have been buried. they're just being crushed. middle income americans have seen their income come down by $4,300. this is a tax in and of itself. i'll call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. >> earlier in the week, vice president biden had said the middle class has been buried for the past four years. the issue they came closest to agreeing on, social security. the candidates here last night also sparred on other issues, including job creation, deficit reduction and health care. >> the presidential candidates will next square off on october 16th in long island. the second debate wil
. >> and challenge on obama's hits on his own policies point by point. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> virtually everything he said about hi tax plan is inaccurate. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election he's saying that his big bold idea is nevermind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> the president's lackluster response sent critics into a tail spin and put team obama on defense. >> i don't know what he was doing out there. he had his head down, he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it. the latest thing we got from romney because he said so, was, you know what i want to do with people when they are poor? shove them in the emergency room. where was obama tonight? >> progressives from chris matthews to bill maher to michael moore all across the progressive wing of the democratic party, there's great disappointment. >> they were jumping out of their seats watching. >> i understand. i understand there was a hunger for us to attack romney more persona
checker there tonight, who is right? >> mitt romney does have tax cuts in his plan. the issue is is it really a $5 trillion tax cut. because he says if it will make more revenue because it creates more job, those people then start paying taxes, so it doesn't actually cut revenues to the government. but there are cut in the tax rates that individuals pay. i'm not sure how to count whether that is or is not a tax cut. >> reporter: okay. so bottom line, $5 trillion, not $5 trillion or there is no bottom line? >> the romney-ryan plan has never specified exactly the loop holes they will close or how the math holds up, but they say it is not a $5 trillion tax cut. >> reporter: all right. so as gary nurenberg says earlier, we're still waiting for the details. we'll get back to you in a minute. now back to anita in the studio. >> all right. we'll be hearing from you again through the night. we want to hear from both parties as well on this. okay. what about the tax cut issue. that big, not that big. it was clearly a point of contention. >> president kennedy cut tax rates, more revenue
to do. romney says not me. take a listen. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in military spending. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cult. the scale you're talking about, my view is we have to provide tax relief to the people in the middle class. >> reporter: all right. two contending points there. only one of them can be right. paul singer as fact checker there tonight, who is right? >> mitt romney does have tax cuts in his plan. the issue is is it really a $5 trillion tax cut. because he says if it will make more revenue because it creates more job, those people then start paying taxes, so it doesn't actually cut revenues to the government. but there are cuts in the tax rates that individuals pay. i'm not sure how to count whether that is or is not a tax cut. >> reporter: okay. so bottom line, $5 trillion, not $5 trillion or there is no bottom line? >> the romney-ryan plan has never specified exactly the loop holes they will close or how the math hol
and whether or not it was factual. biggest dispute was over tax autos governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> i don't have a $5 trillion kachl tut can you tell. >> governor romney's proposal calls for a $5 dwrinl tax cut. >> i'm in the looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> fact check? the president is wrong to say romney's plan will add $5 twrinl to the deficit. romney said as he did last night the plan to lower the rate will be offset by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. and romney won't identify which loopholes or deduction. and concluded it's not possible to find enough loopholes and deductions. romney criticized that study. >> he cite a study. there are six studies looking at that study you described and say it's wrong. >> studies romney are talking about are from his own backers and advisors and a former advisor to george w. bush. on medicare, romney said the president's plan will limit care. >> this is going to tell people what kind of treatments they can have. >> this board can't make decisions about what treatments are given. that is prohib
's the romney plan. he said it four or five times that i have seen on tape. it's a bald-faced lie and he got away with it last night. he got away with it because the president was very tepid in the way he called him on it. and what the president should have said is come on, mitt, i have seen you on tape five times saying you're going to cut the tax rate for everyone by 20%. that means the richest americans are going to get their rate down from 35% to 28%. how can you stand there and lie to the american people? you have got to play hardball. that's the name of the show. >> lying is exactly what he was doing there. i didn't mean to interrupt governor, but lying is exactly what he was doing. the pre-existing condition one was the most shocking to me. the fact is his plan does not cover pre-existing conditions for people who don't have insurance already. he pretended that it did. that's just a lie. what, does he not know about his own health care plan? >> okay, why didn't the president say that? let me just tell you this, there is one advantage to doing this show every night. you guys commenting
: energetic and aggressive, romney slammed the president's economic record and laid out his own plan. >> there be will no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> reporter: but the president repeatedly insisted that romney is calling for $8 trillion in tax cuts and spending that cannot be paid for without adding to the deficit or burdening more middle-income americans. >> it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the. also criticized his -- the president also chris sitees the -- criticized hid cal letter without -- his challenger of not providing more. the obama campaign is conceding that the extensive preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed a bit nervous for some reason. almost some questions threw him off and rit romney seemed to throw him off a bit as well. >> reporter: not everyone is giving the win to romney. >> obama had -- he was more comfortable with his ideas. romney was working a bit too hard trying to convince people because he's down
points. so one thing he said romney had secret plans on jobs, economy and regulation. and taxes. just after romney spent time giving the details on awful those being critical of very specific pro visions of don frank. and this is the president was not in denver. i thought he spent too much time shooting bass cats rather than prepping for this thing. we saw it. he offered up routine rogue talking point thing that's people were sitting there saying do you know what? this doesn't jive with what i've just seen happen with these two men on the stage. >> and rnc chair predicting the president would make excuses because he can't defined his record. he joins us from denver, good evening mr. chairman. tell me have you spoken to governor romney since the debate? >> i. i can tell you he was smiling and happy with how things went tonight. tonight was a historical night. and this is a sense that that is shocking. the performance but there is a problem for governor and drk-excuse me, the president, mitt romney was ready, and prepared. and he was ten yaishis and respectful. the president meandering.
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't seem to have a plan for what he wanted to achieve tonight but there is romney also being aggressive and saying he gets criticized for tax break for oil companies and responldz to the president saying wait a minute. i'm not in favor of that but just remember you gave five times to green energy company that's went belly up so. this is a very good about zit ziding obama but questioning him and pulling issues back to him. this is a the third item, tone. president obama came across as irritated and looking down. never looking up. and this is romney looking at the president, just a wrong tone. romney was president yismt had humor, who knew he had a sense of humor, i've got five boys i'm used to hearing people say things that aren't true and hoping i'll believe them. you're entitled to your own place and house but not your own facts. he was pretty darn funny. and there is a tone of bipartisanship. in 2008 barack obama did a good job of saying i'm going to be the president of everybody. tonight romney in a different way said look, i'm going to work together with democrats and republicans an
. governor romney's plan calls for $8 trillion, how we pay for that reduce the deficit and make the investments that we need to make without dumping those costs on middle class americans i think is one of the central questions of this campaign. >> both of you have spoken about a lot of different things. first governor romney do you have a question you would like to ask the president directly about something he just said? >> romney: sure. first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. my view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class, but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. they are doing just fine in this economy. the people having a hard time right now are middle income americans. they have been buried. they are just being crushed. middle income americans have seen their income come down by $4,300. this is a tax in and of itself i'll call it the economy tax. it has been crushing. at the same time gasoline prices have doubled under the president, electric rates are up fo
take them to the emergency room, that that is his health care plan? did the president know that romney had said people who didn't have continuing coverage shouldn't get covered for pre-existing conditions, that it was simply their fault for not having paid up all those years? the whole thing, the whole thing last night could have gone a whole different way. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead. the real mitt romney. there's been a lot of talk about last night's debate. who won, who lost. but the real debate last night was between mitt romney and mitt romney. and being so contradictory, mr. romney opened a huge line of attack for the president. not just for 90 minutes, but for the 33 days until this election. and today in a blistering speech, the president took full advantage of the opportunity that romney's dishonest performance invited. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have b
night debate. a look at romney's plan. what gets cut and where the revenue would come from. lori: let take a look at metals like we do every day at this time. silver is also gaining ground. copper is flat. i think people feeling better about the economy. gold is a precious metal trade. we will be back with more after this. ♪ ♪ melissa: one of the hottest topics in last night's debate was taxes. especially that romney's plans. he has answered some of his critics giving other details of his plans. rich edson is in washington with more on this story. this was one of the big talking point last night for sure. >> yes, it really was. he is leaving most of the details of to congress. predicting what it would actually do. here is what we do know, romney reduces taxes by cutting marginal rates by 20%. repealing the amt. the tax policy center says all that means is tax cuts of $480 billion in the year 2015. the obama campaign will divide that by ten and there is a $5 trillion tax cut figure over the next decade the president repeatedly cited during the debate. that is misleading. romney say
. >> reporter: the theme of the debate for president obama appeared to be that romney's plans lacked specifics. >> is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans secret because it's too good? >> reporter: governor romney spent the night attacking his record. >> we still have deficit. >> reporter: mitt romney came into the debate trailing in the polls but that could change after last night's performance. >> anytime a challenger stands on the stage with the president in a first debate they tend to get a bounce. i expect that could happen here. >> reporter: the romney campaign believes the governor scored a knockout. >> i believe that governor romney was the clear winner of this debate. if it was a boxing match it would have been called. >> reporter: an instant cbs news poll chose romney the overwhelming winner. 46% of the people we surveyed said romney won the debate. but moderator and pbs anchor jim lehrer might not feel the same way. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop this subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i love big bird. i actually like you, too. bu
approaches, the two economic plans. governor romney believes that tax cuts for the wealthy grow jobs. most of us understand that those sorts of tax cuts are what grow deficits. they don't grow jobs. and president obama and his opportunity economy, i thought that exchange was lucid. i don't think it was a game changer tonight. the president handled himself with a more dignified reserve. when governor romney was tested, he got kind of testy. and i thought that the president maintained his cool throughout and did well. >> what about the president's cool and the president's dignified reserve as you put it, do you think he's going to have to change that style going forward in these debates? >> i don't believe so. i think that -- >> if you could coach him on the next debate, if you could do ten minutes of coaching on the next debate, based on what you saw tonight, what would you tell him to do differently? >> oh, i don't know. i think that the president has to keep doing what he's doing. i think he has to be truthful about why he's made the choices for us that he has made. i think he has to keep
attention to? >> i think he should continue to press the romney/ryan ticket on their specific plans and their specific promises. a $5 trillion tax cut is going to have to come on the backs of the middle class whether in the form of more expensive college tuition or more expensive medicare or more expensive taxes. they're in this la la land just saying trust us we've got you covered. that's not the way the world works. >> thank you back to you. more ahead. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. stay with us. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. [ sighs ] so how did it go? he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas
appeared to be that romney's plans lacked specifics. >> is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans secret because it's too good? >> reporter: governor romney spent the night attacking his record. >> you have been president for four years. you said would you cut the deficit in half. it's now four years later. we still have trillion dollar deficits. >> reporter: mitt romney came into the debate trailing in the polls but that could change after last night's performance. >> anytime a challenger stands on the stage with the president in a first debate they tend to get a bounce. i expect that could happen here. >> reporter: the romney campaign believes the governor scored a knockout. >> i believe that governor romney was the clear winner of this debate. if it was a boxing match it would have been called. >> reporter: an instant cbs news poll chose romney the overwhelming winner. 46% of the people we surveyed said romney won the debate. but moderator and pbs anchor jim lehrer might not feel the same way. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop this subsidy to pbs. i'm going to st
of the debate for president obama appeared to be that romney's plans lacked specifics. >> is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans secret because it's too good? >> reporter: governor romney spent the night attacking his record. >> you have been president for four years. you said would you cut the deficit in half. it's now four years later. we still have trillion dollar deficits. >> reporter: mitt romney came into the debate trailing in the polls but that could change after last night's performance. >> anytime a challenger stands on the stage with the president in a first debate they tend to get a bounce. i expect that could happen here. >> reporter: the romney campaign believes the governor scored a knockout. >> i believe that governor romney was the clear winner of this debate. if it was a boxing match it would have been called. >> reporter: an instant cbs news poll chose romney the overwhelming winner. 46% of the people we surveyed said romney won the debate. but moderator and pbs anchor jim lehrer might not feel the same way. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop
. is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they're too good? is it because that somehow middle class a families are going to benefit too much? ♪ i guess you're just what i needed ♪ >>> we begin with the president criticized as being less than effective last night by hyperventilating pundits across the board, but now getting his own chance to put a spin on the first presidential debate. fresh off last night's face-off, the president is hitting the trail in key swing states. he's just touched down in madison, wisconsin, for a rally within the hour. >>> and earlier this afternoon the president described his own complete and utter surprise at the man he met last night. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. >> yes, followers of this broadcast will be very familiar with the many variations on the man known as willard mitt. last night it was the centrist version who greeted the president on the stage at the university of denver. >> it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romne
's women. and mr. romney probably thought better than to mention republicans defunding planned parenthood or mandating transvageal ultrasound probes. yet, if you listened closely, women were mentioned at every turn. >> i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arp and she said, i have been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver, and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms. a woman came to me and she said, look, i can't afford insurance for myself or my son. >> joining us here in new york is my colleague crist yal ball, one of the mosts of "the cycle" and joy reid, managing eder to of thegrio.com. welcome to you both. krystal, both candidates mentioned women but mitt romney suddenly seems to have discovered women. is that the mitt romney you recall? >> in some ways it is because it's like he can just say, i met a woman or i have a wife, and that's going to make things okay for women, that they're going to now trust him and his policies to be there for them. in terms of actually having a set of policies that make sense for women, we didn't hear an
say mitt romney's tax plan adds 5 trillion. about i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> romney never actually said there would be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> but the etch a sketching did not stop there. governor romney who once believed financial regulation was hurting the economy -- >> dodd frank it's called, has not helped enterprise get going, it's slowed it down. >> now seems to be a supporter of wall street regulation. >> want to repeal dodd/frank? >> and replace it. we're not going to get rid of regulation. some parts of dodd/frank that make all of the sense in the world. >> and back in june,
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